Hi Tone, it's actually "ctrl+Eject" ( as Tim said) ..which is still not the one i meant.... Also, Frank, i did not know that that was like a force shut down as it seems that it closes all the open Apps, (which i usually do before) and obviously you need to save before, although it will ask you to save before shutting down if you haven't done it.(???). Or do you actually mean save system settings Etc.? Anyway, I will try to avoid it if it is bad for the system. Thanks for the tip!